Ice

[MMOItachi]

5 minute game... full game he makes me go team 2 cause i said i wasnt pro (the truth).... i kill gondar he quits... ice decides to take it upon himself to make it a "fair and balanced game" and so kicks alchemist.... huskar gets pissed (for good reason) and leaves... morph leaves right after him.... pretty sure the general rule is you ask the general population to RMK or -roll for balance?... or at least tell the opposing team member hes getting kicked for balance... ice kicked him in the middle of the lane and he ended up dieing.... and he does this all right after saying nixon is taking away my adminship for "abuse" (yea right)....

[testbot]

you should be banned for playing dota on a 800x600 crt monitor.

[hoopz23]

5 minute game... full game he makes me go team 2 cause i said i wasnt pro (the truth).... i kill gondar he quits... ice decides to take it upon himself to make it a "fair and balanced game" and so kicks alchemist.... huskar gets pissed (for good reason) and leaves... morph leaves right after him.... pretty sure the general rule is you ask the general population to RMK or -roll for balance?... or at least tell the opposing team member hes getting kicked for balance... ice kicked him in the middle of the lane and he ended up dieing.... and he does this all right after saying nixon is taking away my adminship for "abuse" (yea right)....

i posted request for pudge wars on nixon_custom approx a week ago and u havent done it yet or even just reply to thread acknowledging the request. soo... is there pudge wars yet???

[DJ_AI$]

5 minute game... full game he makes me go team 2 cause i said i wasnt pro (the truth).... i kill gondar he quits... ice decides to take it upon himself to make it a "fair and balanced game" and so kicks alchemist.... huskar gets pissed (for good reason) and leaves... morph leaves right after him.... pretty sure the general rule is you ask the general population to RMK or -roll for balance?... or at least tell the opposing team member hes getting kicked for balance... ice kicked him in the middle of the lane and he ended up dieing.... and he does this all right after saying nixon is taking away my adminship for "abuse" (yea right)....

This is the most retarded report I've ever seen. I don't really feel I need to defend myself here because it's so obvious how gay of a report this is, but I will just in case the JuddDredd team is filled with BIG RATEDS.

Whenever someone quits from a pub game of mine, I always instantly balance it by kicking the biggest noob from the team with 5 players. You can ask any of the people that normally play with me, or if you really need replay verification I can point you to some historical elite_hbot ones to prove it.

"huskar gets pissed (for good reason)": This doesn't make any sense, he had no good reason to be BISSED. And leaving because you're BISSED also isn't acceptable. The game would have been a fine, balanced 4v4 if huskar acted maturely.

"morph leaves right after him": this is moot, a 4v3 is an insta-rmk, 4v2 is no different, and morph probably left because he's not playing 4v3 anyway, which is retarded.

you want me to ask the general population to rmk when someone rage quits? This is the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Oh yeah every time someone rage quits you need to start a fucking referendum and tally up all the votes. If you do that, people will just call "rmk" and insta-quit without even hearing what anybody else says. If you balance it then at least there's a chance the game will go on. And you phrase it as "pretty sure the general rule is you ask the general population to RMK or -roll for balance?". The phrases "pretty sure", and "general rule", and the question mark at the end show us that you're just making shit up and got no clue what you're talking about. I'm "pretty sure" you're wrong here.

If I tell the opposing team member that he's going to be kicked, he will destroy his items, suicide, and then quit. Yeah that's a really bright idea, that would make for a much more balanced game. So what? He ended up dying - that might have been the only mistake here on my part but what else would you have me do ? I can wait until he backs out of his lane but at that stage in the game it could take a while. I could ask him to go back to base so I can kick him with no chance of him dying (yeah right). Or the retards that killed him could realize he got kicked and do the courteous thing by not killing a hero that has nobody controlling it.

The fact is, I talked to Itachi right after this game asking for what he planned to report me, and he said, and I quote, "because you ruined a good game and I was actually doing okay for once". First of all I didn't ruin the game, I balanced it and made it better. I chose to kick that guy because he had the worst score on your team, and that's how I always operate. I don't want to stack the teams. Secondly, you can see the real reason he is reporting me here. "I was actually doing OK for once". This is a RAGE report because he got first-blood and was farming SO well (in a 5 min. game??) and was pissed that it was all for naught.

People like you are the reason that there are penalties for frivolous lawsuits, and I might suggest punishing Itachi here for this waste of everyone's time through frivolous reporting.

[RyeWithGinger]

gotta !sprout ais on this, mmo got owned hard in lobby chat is now tryink to get revenche over something not worth postink

[MMOItachi]

@hoopz sorry man bump your post... i think avid's req for update showed up as newer than urs... ill add now =D...

and @ ice:
I dont care how you play your games 4v5 was fine the scores were even and ur leaver was an absolute noob that would have fed the whole game anyways and you probably would have ended up kicking... and @ the doing OK.... yea i suck... no im not rage reporting for that.... ask anyone that ive played with... i get raged at a lot but i take it just fine... i had been the feeder in that game i STILL would have reported this because there was no reason for the random kick.... in EVERY game ive been in its been -roll or someone volunteers to leave or its RMK... never this "random kick while hes in the middle of his lane getting pwnt by creeps"... and ive told people before that i was going to have to kick them to make it a balanced game and only ONCE out of the (maybe) five times ive done this has anyone suicided and quit... and in that game we still won.... there are other ways to handle balancing and i dont think what you did was right at all... we'll see what judd has to say though.... and there were knowns in the game (only 2 but still) so i dont think something like this should go unpunished....

@Rye how did i get owned hard in lobby chat?... ice said i was getting demoted with no proof what so ever.... he brought it up before saying "You like the power of having people request maps on the bot"... how much sense does that make? people request... i add... its simplistic

[DJ_AI$]

How is 4v5 fine? How is 4v4 not better? You consistently make zero sense.

Yes our leaver was a noob, yes I'm glad he left, YES THE GUY I KICKED FROM YOUR TEAM WAS A NOOB TOO. The reason for the "random" kick was to balance the game. And it wasn't "random" -- I kicked the worst player on your team (excluding you). And I don't care how it's been in EVERY game you've been in. Just because you and your friends do it like that doesn't mean EVERYONE has to. That's like saying "OH shit!!! In every country I've been to black people are called niggers and ppl spit on them so you HAVE to do it in this country too --- IDIOTS" It doesn't make any logical sense - something you have a problem with.

1 item destroy/suicide + quit out of 5? That's a 20% chance. That's abysmal. Why would I take that chance when I can just kick him?

You're grasping at straws here - your complaint went from my kick being unjustified (wrong) and now it's degraded into "you didn't kick him in the right way!!" (also wrong). This is completely retarded and you really need a lesson on critical reasoning and clear thinking. Stop making stupid-ass points with no foundation and wasting everybody's time.

What does the fact that there are knowns in the game have to do with anything? I BALANCED the game. Yeah we will see what Judd has to say. And with a committee of 3 people, chances are still ZERO that any of them will read your "points" and say "wow he's really making good sense there".

[cr_dad]

!support ais, i cant see a good reason for ban ais, is a stupid report from itachi only cuz got pisset cuz stupid pubs left and ruined his game and he had a fb and good farm, stupid thing.
Itachi grown up, maybe we can understand that u arent good at dota and never get fb and good farm but u cant try to get ais banned.

[RyeWithGinger]

haha i didn't realize -(rick)roll was so deeply instituitionalized

[cr_dad]

LOL and why u posted that ss, what that shit means, is that ss proves for smth??? LOL BIG RATED
Wrong way and good way for balance a gameLOL, dude u r playing a pub game not a priv with knowns, pub game kik the worse player who the hell fucking care, noone its a pub if some1 get pisset and leave just rmk it, JEEZ its hard with this kids

[MMOItachi]

Ice if u kick with seemingly no reason the teams gonna be pizzed and leave.... i dont know how u cant see that... all im asking is that u tell the people who ur kicking so that 1. they can at least run back to base (or wait till they arent in a lane to kick) and 2. so that they know WHY ur kicking and they dont all leave like that game... u didnt handle that well at all... yea 4v4 is better than 4v5... we had 4v4 for all of what? 2 seconds with the way u handled things?

[KoleTesla]

Sentinel:
1.Salardar
2.Tinker
3.Enigma
4.Sven
5.Bounty Hunter (lefter)

Scourge:
1.Omni
2.Mortred
3.Morph
4.Huskar
5.Alchemist (kicked)

Ais kicked the only stunner in the Scourge , that is not the hero to kick if u want to balance a pub with 4 randoms + MMO , clearly Huskar was the newb with boots and 2x flasks
- Ais
U had Tinker and Enigma , thare was no need for kicking if u were looking for a dota challenge in a pub game .
- Ais


It's a pub game Itachi , espesaly ones who ais hosts are pubstomps , no need for such a report just avoid such games if u don't have someone in your team to co-op with .
- Itachi

In the check minus|plus system ais lost , u kicked a player in your benefit and u had rai + 1 nuker + enigma.

[Coins]

Not every report will result in a ban.

Sure ice kicked for balance but not everyone agrees with that and thats what MMO is saying maybe hes not wanting a ban but just wants him to know..

Sure i agree it's not a big deal but when i rarely host a game and someone ask to kick for balance i ask why...then i ask if it's okay by everyone. It may be silly to you but some people have different opinions on the subject matter.

I just dislike when games have to end prematurely because of a newb was bissed you kicked someone without asking them first...

That's why its nat a bad idea to ask if its okay by everyone
This is indeed not worthy mention of a real report but it doesn't make it really a total waste.

[MMOItachi]

exactly coins... i dont care about ban... i just wanted to point out a problem i saw with a game that was played.... and what u do with ur balance is exactly what i do coins.... i dont find it silly at all....

[DJ_AI$]

Ice if u kick with seemingly no reason the teams gonna be pizzed and leave.... i dont know how u cant see that... all im asking is that u tell the people who ur kicking so that 1. they can at least run back to base (or wait till they arent in a lane to kick) and 2. so that they know WHY ur kicking and they dont all leave like that game... u didnt handle that well at all... yea 4v4 is better than 4v5... we had 4v4 for all of what? 2 seconds with the way u handled things?

hahahaha yeahhh you made this report cuz you felt bad for alchemist getting kicked and not knowing why LLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

WRONG --> You made this report out of RAGE because you got first blood and the game ended soon after. 4v4 was better, I made it that way, it's not my fault it didn't last. There is no better way to handle things.

[DJ_AI$]

Sentinel:
1.Salardar
2.Tinker
3.Enigma
4.Sven
5.Bounty Hunter (lefter)

Scourge:
1.Omni
2.Mortred
3.Morph
4.Huskar
5.Alchemist (kicked)

Ais kicked the only stunner in the Scourge , that is not the hero to kick if u want to balance a pub with 4 randoms + MMO , clearly Huskar was the newb with boots and 2x flasks
- Ais
U had Tinker and Enigma , thare was no need for kicking if u were looking for a dota challenge in a pub game .
- Ais


It's a pub game Itachi , espesaly ones who ais hosts are pubstomps , no need for such a report just avoid such games if u don't have someone in your team to co-op with .
- Itachi

In the check minus|plus system ais lost , u kicked a player in your benefit and u had rai + 1 nuker + enigma.

There's only a reasonable amount of effort that can go in to deciding which player to kick in a timely fashion. I checked the scores, alchemist was the worst, I kicked him. That's the end of it. WOWOWOWOW huskar had noober items WOWOWOWOW losing alchemist changes the whole dynamic of the game WOWOWOWOW I know I got pros on my team.

Great huskar had worse items, alchemist had worse score. How do I choose who to kick? I just made a quick judgement and it was fully justified and fair. My team gets the same treatment when someone from Scourge leaves. Every game.

And I should have left it 4v5 because I have enigma and tinker? You could put the names of any 2 heroes in there and your "point" would be the same. Totally rated.

You're just still BISSED from that other game (that you RAGE quit from!!!)

[DJ_AI$]

Not every report will result in a ban.

Sure ice kicked for balance but not everyone agrees with that and thats what MMO is saying maybe hes not wanting a ban but just wants him to know..

Sure i agree it's not a big deal but when i rarely host a game and someone ask to kick for balance i ask why...then i ask if it's okay by everyone. It may be silly to you but some people have different opinions on the subject matter.

Why does what other people do or what their opinions are on how to properly handle the situation matter? They can do whatever they want, I can do whatever I want as long as it's fully justified, mature, reasonable, and fair. And what I did was all of those things.


I just dislike when games have to end prematurely because of a newb was bissed you kicked someone without asking them first...

That's why its nat a bad idea to ask if its okay by everyone
This is indeed not worthy mention of a real report but it doesn't make it really a total waste.

It is a total waste. Nothing was gained and a lot of time was wasted. The game ended prematurely because someone quit. And they quit for an illegitimate reason - it is THEIR FAULT that the game ended. Go report them and stop wasting everybody here's time.

[DJ_AI$]

exactly coins... i dont care about ban... i just wanted to point out a problem i saw with a game that was played.... and what u do with ur balance is exactly what i do coins.... i dont find it silly at all....

Man stop backtracking and lying. You don't care about a ban you just wanted to point out a problem eh? What was all that talk about "something like this shouldn't go unpunished" ?? You just change your story based on what works for you at the time. Now that you've lost all credibility I think it'd be wise for you to stop posting. Or keep it up, every response you make gives me a chance to fuckin CLEAN UP in the PoP when this gets documented in Kidax's thread.

i dont think something like this should go unpunished....

[MMOItachi]

yea i was pizt earlier so i said that... now i realize its not that big a problem but it should still be posted... next time explain your thoughts to the pubs so shit like this doesnt happen... and from ur earlier post:

Why does what other people do or what their opinions are on how to properly handle the situation matter? They can do whatever they want, I can do whatever I want as long as it's fully justified, mature, reasonable, and fair. And what I did was all of those things.

Justified: What made alchemist's kick justified? what did he do wrong except die ONCE?
Mature: Obviously not a thought out balancing act... but i dont think this adjective even belongs in this
Reasonable: by kicking our stunner your clearly threw the game OUT of balance and caused everyone on scourge to quit
Fair: Who was this fair to? your team? you got the kill after the kick and the team left.... i think its UNFAIR to the people who wanted to play a game of dota...

yes it was the leaver's fault but you could have at least SAID something about balance before you acted on it

[kidhax]

when this gets documented in Kidax's thread.

I look forward to it

[RichardNixon]

I generally ask the opposing team who they want kicked for balance, so they can vote or roll for it or whatever. If nobody says anything after like 20 seconds I just kick whoever I feel would be best to balance the game. I don't think there's anything bannable here, but Ice should be less aggressive with the balance kicks.

We will go through the Judd Dredd process to make this official, but unofficially I think we can settle this with a warning at most.

[KoleTesla]

@ais
No mather the circumstances the fact don't change u kicked a player that benefited to your team more then the other , Alchi was raped by enigma + tinker , u did not checked lines? Husker a guy with XxxX0xxxx0xXx nick quited right after , so u as a expiriansed pub player did not saw that coming? Bullshit u don't want to admint it .

@Itachi

U made this report cuz u were BISSED shame on u .

[MMOItachi]

hey pretty sure 10/10 of these topics were made when people were BISSED lol... and yes nixon warn is fine im not looking for any punishment....

[cr_dad]

I generally ask the opposing team who they want kicked for balance, so they can vote or roll for it or whatever. If nobody says anything after like 20 seconds I just kick whoever I feel would be best to balance the game. I don't think there's anything bannable here, but Ice should be less aggressive with the balance kicks.

We will go through the Judd Dredd process to make this official, but unofficially I think we can settle this with a warning at most.

STFU NOONE CARES!!!!!!!!
DONT ABUXE MF STOP DLING IT

[Zarkslife]

WOWOWOWOW!!!!! cr_dad is BISSED!!

dont abuxe mh stop dl it.

[ginwithjuice]

!support ais

[JuddDredd]

In our opinion the kick was justified, but Ice should have given a reasonable amount of time for the victim to be chosen by the opposing team or at least be chosen randomly.

However, since (1) this is a pub, (2) it is nearly impossible to enforce, and (3) Itachi is not pursuing the case, we will not hand out a punishment here or decide the case in either party's favor. We hope that everyone will take the above guidelines on balancing pubs into consideration to keep reports like this from happening in the future.

Report dismissed by majority vote.